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		By: Susan Walker		</title>
		<link>https://www.narsol.org/2016/07/colorado-registration-statute-attack/#comment-22657</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan Walker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2016 20:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.narsol.org/2016/07/colorado-registration-statute-attack/#comment-22611&quot;&gt;Martin Niemoller&lt;/a&gt;.


11-3-16

Her name is Alison Ruttenberg and she can be found on the web.  She is in Boulder, Co.

Susan Walker, M.A.
Director, CSOR]]></description>
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<p>11-3-16</p>
<p>Her name is Alison Ruttenberg and she can be found on the web.  She is in Boulder, Co.</p>
<p>Susan Walker, M.A.<br />
Director, CSOR</p>
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		By: Susan Walker		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan Walker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2016 16:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.narsol.org/2016/07/colorado-registration-statute-attack/#comment-22611&quot;&gt;Martin Niemoller&lt;/a&gt;.


Her name is Alison Ruttenberg]]></description>
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<p>Her name is Alison Ruttenberg</p>
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		By: tim		</title>
		<link>https://www.narsol.org/2016/07/colorado-registration-statute-attack/#comment-22655</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2016 00:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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Weak people make weak laws.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Weak people make weak laws.</p>
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		By: tim		</title>
		<link>https://www.narsol.org/2016/07/colorado-registration-statute-attack/#comment-22654</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2016 20:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Criminal enterprise, any group or organization that uses threat of force, or actual force to deny persons their rights to life, liberty or property.  The 13th Amendment states, slavery nor indentured servitude shallmexist in the united states except as a punishment for a crime duly convicted of.  This means if you commit a crime you can go to jail or prison. But after that you are able to rejoin society and live as you did before a person committed a criminal act. Pursuant to these well established laws sex offenders are being subjected to unlawful slavery and indentured servitude since they cannot exercise any of their 1st amendment rights unless they inform the local, state, and federal authorities or go to prison. 

Slavery is also illegal pursuant to federal statute chapter 77 united states code as is indentured servitude. Persons who commit sex offenses are contractually bound to provide any and all information demanded by any spjudiciary body at any time and are clearly in custody pursuant to well established law. 

Now if any reasonable person wants to claim these persons are not slaves, they would be foolish. No one needs to use any form of fact finding to make this judgment. If any person doesnt understand that when you have to tell someone what your doing or go to prison, you are either a fool, or just a pawn.

The 2d amendment states this nation is a free state, you gotta be kidding. This nation has every right to punish, but when its over, its over. Well at least it used to be.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Criminal enterprise, any group or organization that uses threat of force, or actual force to deny persons their rights to life, liberty or property.  The 13th Amendment states, slavery nor indentured servitude shallmexist in the united states except as a punishment for a crime duly convicted of.  This means if you commit a crime you can go to jail or prison. But after that you are able to rejoin society and live as you did before a person committed a criminal act. Pursuant to these well established laws sex offenders are being subjected to unlawful slavery and indentured servitude since they cannot exercise any of their 1st amendment rights unless they inform the local, state, and federal authorities or go to prison. </p>
<p>Slavery is also illegal pursuant to federal statute chapter 77 united states code as is indentured servitude. Persons who commit sex offenses are contractually bound to provide any and all information demanded by any spjudiciary body at any time and are clearly in custody pursuant to well established law. </p>
<p>Now if any reasonable person wants to claim these persons are not slaves, they would be foolish. No one needs to use any form of fact finding to make this judgment. If any person doesnt understand that when you have to tell someone what your doing or go to prison, you are either a fool, or just a pawn.</p>
<p>The 2d amendment states this nation is a free state, you gotta be kidding. This nation has every right to punish, but when its over, its over. Well at least it used to be.</p>
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		By: Ron		</title>
		<link>https://www.narsol.org/2016/07/colorado-registration-statute-attack/#comment-22653</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Aug 2016 12:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.narsol.org/2016/07/colorado-registration-statute-attack/#comment-22652&quot;&gt;Mildred&lt;/a&gt;.

If one were to draw a line and connection to the stipulatory requirement that most states impose on offenders, to pay an annual or quarterly fee for registry requirements, then retroactively you are forcing someone to pay an unanticipated cost on something masked as regulatory, which thus becomes criminally punitive if absconded or intentionally ignored. So subseqentally this administrative necessity conditionally ensnares or garners criminal conduct if not complied. It is said, that one could void a mobile phone contract in certain states, if what was agreed to was retroactively raised by merely one cent of the agreed understanding. In reflection of consumer clauses compared to criminal acceptance of plea bargaining or a conditional acceptance of guilt it is understood what restrictions and rights are entailed upon the signing of court documents. What is not written in black and white, is the potential or perpetual arbitrary effect, ones conviction can sustain even after proven rehabilitation. The true effect of this administrative requirement is parlayed as good sounding and
reasonably non-infringing, which is obviously false infamously from the registrants individual experiences as well as thier family members
and friends. It perhaps is time to revisit the restructuring of these laws and convey to the community at large how biased and baseless this requirement is to undeserving citizens.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.narsol.org/2016/07/colorado-registration-statute-attack/#comment-22652">Mildred</a>.</p>
<p>If one were to draw a line and connection to the stipulatory requirement that most states impose on offenders, to pay an annual or quarterly fee for registry requirements, then retroactively you are forcing someone to pay an unanticipated cost on something masked as regulatory, which thus becomes criminally punitive if absconded or intentionally ignored. So subseqentally this administrative necessity conditionally ensnares or garners criminal conduct if not complied. It is said, that one could void a mobile phone contract in certain states, if what was agreed to was retroactively raised by merely one cent of the agreed understanding. In reflection of consumer clauses compared to criminal acceptance of plea bargaining or a conditional acceptance of guilt it is understood what restrictions and rights are entailed upon the signing of court documents. What is not written in black and white, is the potential or perpetual arbitrary effect, ones conviction can sustain even after proven rehabilitation. The true effect of this administrative requirement is parlayed as good sounding and<br />
reasonably non-infringing, which is obviously false infamously from the registrants individual experiences as well as thier family members<br />
and friends. It perhaps is time to revisit the restructuring of these laws and convey to the community at large how biased and baseless this requirement is to undeserving citizens.</p>
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		By: Mildred		</title>
		<link>https://www.narsol.org/2016/07/colorado-registration-statute-attack/#comment-22652</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mildred]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Aug 2016 21:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I hope that the group wins the case.  The sex registry is definitely a punishment.  Some people must be registered for life and the decision was made retroactive.  Meaning that any individual who was to be registered for 5 or 10 years at the time they were sentenced, now may need to be registered for life.  In Pennsylvania for instance, the Federal Sex Registration called SORNA was not adopted until the end of 2011, however, even those who were sentenced before that, if they were serving time or in parole at the moment, they were subject to the SORNA registration, the way the Federal rules impose it.  Even though that was not part of the disclosure or the sentence.  What is even worse is that some charges that were (and still are) considered misdemeanors for the state, when they were compared with the SORNA rules back in 2011/2012, were classified as Tier III by the state of Pennsylvania. Therefore, a good number of individuals with misdemeanors are Tier III, which mandates that they are registered as SO for life. If that was not part of their sentence or that was not part of the state law at the moment or their sentences, why these individuals with misdemeanor offenses have to be registered as SO for life?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope that the group wins the case.  The sex registry is definitely a punishment.  Some people must be registered for life and the decision was made retroactive.  Meaning that any individual who was to be registered for 5 or 10 years at the time they were sentenced, now may need to be registered for life.  In Pennsylvania for instance, the Federal Sex Registration called SORNA was not adopted until the end of 2011, however, even those who were sentenced before that, if they were serving time or in parole at the moment, they were subject to the SORNA registration, the way the Federal rules impose it.  Even though that was not part of the disclosure or the sentence.  What is even worse is that some charges that were (and still are) considered misdemeanors for the state, when they were compared with the SORNA rules back in 2011/2012, were classified as Tier III by the state of Pennsylvania. Therefore, a good number of individuals with misdemeanors are Tier III, which mandates that they are registered as SO for life. If that was not part of their sentence or that was not part of the state law at the moment or their sentences, why these individuals with misdemeanor offenses have to be registered as SO for life?</p>
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		By: Mildred		</title>
		<link>https://www.narsol.org/2016/07/colorado-registration-statute-attack/#comment-22651</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Aug 2016 20:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.narsol.org/2016/07/colorado-registration-statute-attack/#comment-22638&quot;&gt;Sam&lt;/a&gt;.

Well said Sam.  But no only that, what about the millions of dollars that the registry costs to tax payers?  If there are predators that are determined to be true threat to children, put them behind bars for life.  We all know that that is not the case in a vast majority of cases.  There a big number of innocent individuals on those lists, and those who did an offense are greatly repented and have learned their lesson.  They will not do it again and that is what studies reveal over and over.  The rate of recidivism is very low.  The registries are not truly protecting children because the vast majority of those who did an offense, said offense was against someone from their own family or very close to them, not to a stranger.  Also, when someone commits an offense, the purpose of the judicial system is to rehabilitate the person after he paid for his offense and release him back to society and they are able to move on and live their lives in peace if they want to.  That is not true for sex offenders.  A sex offender (SO) never finishes paying for his offense.  

If you commit any other crime, once you pay for your offense, you are a free man and can move on.  Your neighbors will never know what you did unless you tell them.   That is not what happens to sex offenders.  They cannot move on when they cannot find a house for rent or a job.  No one wants to employ or rent to a SO and everyone will know that you are one because that information is disseminated on the Internet and everyone has access to the Internet.  That is not a punishment, but a big one and a humiliation, not only for the SO, but for his children and all loved ones.  I hope that Colorado takes precedent on accepting that the Registry is a punishment, an additional punishment to those who had already paid their dues to society and deserve a second chance to move on.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.narsol.org/2016/07/colorado-registration-statute-attack/#comment-22638">Sam</a>.</p>
<p>Well said Sam.  But no only that, what about the millions of dollars that the registry costs to tax payers?  If there are predators that are determined to be true threat to children, put them behind bars for life.  We all know that that is not the case in a vast majority of cases.  There a big number of innocent individuals on those lists, and those who did an offense are greatly repented and have learned their lesson.  They will not do it again and that is what studies reveal over and over.  The rate of recidivism is very low.  The registries are not truly protecting children because the vast majority of those who did an offense, said offense was against someone from their own family or very close to them, not to a stranger.  Also, when someone commits an offense, the purpose of the judicial system is to rehabilitate the person after he paid for his offense and release him back to society and they are able to move on and live their lives in peace if they want to.  That is not true for sex offenders.  A sex offender (SO) never finishes paying for his offense.  </p>
<p>If you commit any other crime, once you pay for your offense, you are a free man and can move on.  Your neighbors will never know what you did unless you tell them.   That is not what happens to sex offenders.  They cannot move on when they cannot find a house for rent or a job.  No one wants to employ or rent to a SO and everyone will know that you are one because that information is disseminated on the Internet and everyone has access to the Internet.  That is not a punishment, but a big one and a humiliation, not only for the SO, but for his children and all loved ones.  I hope that Colorado takes precedent on accepting that the Registry is a punishment, an additional punishment to those who had already paid their dues to society and deserve a second chance to move on.</p>
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		By: tim		</title>
		<link>https://www.narsol.org/2016/07/colorado-registration-statute-attack/#comment-22650</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Aug 2016 02:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[No life, liberty, or property unless you tell them what they want know, if its not a punishment, then its pure slavery. American citizens dont have to tell the government anything unless they receive a benefit. What benefit do you receive under a sora, None. They own you lock stock and barrel and the 13th amendment only provides for slavery as a punishment. Its clear, you have no right to life, liberty or property as a sex offender in this fascist nation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No life, liberty, or property unless you tell them what they want know, if its not a punishment, then its pure slavery. American citizens dont have to tell the government anything unless they receive a benefit. What benefit do you receive under a sora, None. They own you lock stock and barrel and the 13th amendment only provides for slavery as a punishment. Its clear, you have no right to life, liberty or property as a sex offender in this fascist nation.</p>
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		By: Joseph Park		</title>
		<link>https://www.narsol.org/2016/07/colorado-registration-statute-attack/#comment-22649</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joseph Park]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2016 01:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.narsol.org/2016/07/colorado-registration-statute-attack/#comment-22609&quot;&gt;antiestablishmentarianism&lt;/a&gt;.

I would be willing to join in a class action and participate in the expense if I could just get some information as to how to get in on that. Everybody who is made aware of any civil action should do what I just said I would do. If the expense is spread over hundreds of participants it would not be a whole lot for anybody.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.narsol.org/2016/07/colorado-registration-statute-attack/#comment-22609">antiestablishmentarianism</a>.</p>
<p>I would be willing to join in a class action and participate in the expense if I could just get some information as to how to get in on that. Everybody who is made aware of any civil action should do what I just said I would do. If the expense is spread over hundreds of participants it would not be a whole lot for anybody.</p>
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		By: Focus		</title>
		<link>https://www.narsol.org/2016/07/colorado-registration-statute-attack/#comment-22648</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Focus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2016 04:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.narsol.org/2016/07/colorado-registration-statute-attack/#comment-22620&quot;&gt;Ron&lt;/a&gt;.

This idea sounds good until it is fully investigated.  It is not a successful application. Your past still follows you. Unless you do it illegally. Nonetheless, the life that registry presents is not what is chosen but included by a society that is afraid that this will happen again. Since the initiation of this law we have seen that the faces are not ghosts or goblins. People, just people. Dr&#039;s, lawyers, officers of justice, and they are family, friends, educators. Did we forget the part that said &quot;Omibus&quot;? It is clearly left out. Yet you have seen it in action time and time again. The changing of the law via amendments. Even when you are not on parole or probation. The registration has talons that hold you back. The apartment,  you cannot have since it becomes public record. The  job that does not want to keep you since the location is posted. The relationship,  public record. The car, public record and it is not even yours. The children that you cannot support in school, financially,  emotionally. It&#039;s said that you can do all this once you are off parole/ probation, yet how when the law says you have to report all your information so you can be monitored and that puts people who would like to help at a  disadvantage. They become a part of the public databases and it looks very bad to want to help so money who others believe to be a threat to our society. What responsibility do they now have. Children they cannot support. Is it their fault or the woman&#039;s or the children. The staggering number in shelters, but no address to live since no one wants there address in the registry. I spent 10 years, two sex offender programs and completed, four children, eight years in college for a bachelor&#039;s degree I cannot not use. NYC.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.narsol.org/2016/07/colorado-registration-statute-attack/#comment-22620">Ron</a>.</p>
<p>This idea sounds good until it is fully investigated.  It is not a successful application. Your past still follows you. Unless you do it illegally. Nonetheless, the life that registry presents is not what is chosen but included by a society that is afraid that this will happen again. Since the initiation of this law we have seen that the faces are not ghosts or goblins. People, just people. Dr&#8217;s, lawyers, officers of justice, and they are family, friends, educators. Did we forget the part that said &#8220;Omibus&#8221;? It is clearly left out. Yet you have seen it in action time and time again. The changing of the law via amendments. Even when you are not on parole or probation. The registration has talons that hold you back. The apartment,  you cannot have since it becomes public record. The  job that does not want to keep you since the location is posted. The relationship,  public record. The car, public record and it is not even yours. The children that you cannot support in school, financially,  emotionally. It&#8217;s said that you can do all this once you are off parole/ probation, yet how when the law says you have to report all your information so you can be monitored and that puts people who would like to help at a  disadvantage. They become a part of the public databases and it looks very bad to want to help so money who others believe to be a threat to our society. What responsibility do they now have. Children they cannot support. Is it their fault or the woman&#8217;s or the children. The staggering number in shelters, but no address to live since no one wants there address in the registry. I spent 10 years, two sex offender programs and completed, four children, eight years in college for a bachelor&#8217;s degree I cannot not use. NYC.</p>
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