I am in serious agreement with everything you’ve stated here. The problem with the “sex police” isn’t just the registry. It’s the perception of anything and EVERYTHING even minor in substance being perverted by the courts into a sexual crime. A 14 or 15 yr old girl can be extremely promiscuous. And when she’s caught? By the courts standard she is automatically a victim. Her involvement is NEVER EVER! (I can’t stress NEVER enough!) a consideration. She’s perfect! An innocent precious moments figurine in the eyes of the court. From the moment she’s drug in to be interrogated, the entire process is a thousand times worse than whatever happened. She has no idea of anything other than to NOT appear promiscuous to the police, and her parents. If the person she (or he) accosted has enough God given strength to take the case to court to fight for his or her life and reputation, then the matter is even more traumatizing to the young girl or boy, whichever. The roles are cast by the court “girl, victim”, “boy, aggressor”. It’s always the same thing. The police have NO regard for how much trauma they cause the families by taking trivial crap into a trial. All they care about is a conviction. It’s purely 1000% motivated by votes for reelection and tax payer revenue to pay for more jails. A mans life means absolutely nothing at that point. It wouldn’t matter if you were the Pope, you’re just a hunk of meat with no value except for that which the court can extract whatever resources you have.

I find a strong bitterness in the handouts of condoms to middle school students. Not one single teacher or parent will utter the words “Here’s a condom, here’s how you use it and why… oh and by the way, ANYTHING you do to use this prophylactic we gave you with YOUR body is automatically criminal until you’re allowed by law to be active”, whilst handing out those condoms. Oh no… we don’t want that! That may “hurt” little Susie and make her feel inferior about her body!

Just what on earth is wrong with this picture? It’s not just the registry people! It’s what’s deemed a “criminal” act. Looking back on my “crime”, as the state labeled it, I would have been in less trouble had I punched the girl in the mouth. But I made a poor choice to return a kiss to her. She was 15. But even that wasn’t “criminal”. What she did with my hand for 1 second before I pulled it away was twisted and mulled over in court to draw every split nanosecond of it out until I was found guilty, and she came away with the new title “survivor of sex abuse”. This all done as she sat there laughing next to her mother in the courtroom. It’s SICK! ABSOLUTELY SICK! A 1 second touch which she forced upon herself. And she gets to walk away laughing. The DA laughing (no, I’m not joking). Now I’m fighting it, and am in thorough disgust with the system, and the country we call “Land of the free”. I’ve lost a 20 yr career, my house was foreclosed on, I’m in massive debt, and the courts will do WHATEVER they can to twist anything into a conviction. The emotional trauma on me is beyond anything she had to endure. But yet, the entire show of the trial wasn’t enough! It’s still not enough to pay! The registry as well? Prison time? What happened to the “victim”? Was she escorted out by the DA and her mother to be given an ice cream treat at DQ for her bravery? This has to stop. But it’s not just the registry. And I’m not going to bring up the age of consent, but rather the level of harm to an individual. Was there force involved? Then that should be a factor, was there actual harm? And where does all this anger and sentiment for anything sexual in nature come from? I would say the womens rights movement. Or perhaps people who have experienced something sexual in their past relish in being able to relive the experience to get a “Oh, you’re so brave, Oh, you precious precious angel, you’re innocent, you’re so strong! You can overcome anything!” I can imagine it’s a tremendous ego boost for them! I don’t mean to sneer in the face of actual abuse (so don’t go there!), but rather the teenage girls and boys who instigate such matters by their own actions and have probably led a good chunk of those of us being on the registry. The punishment IS SEVERELY… GROSSLY disproportionate, and the law makers assuredly know these alleged “crimes” are just stupid human behavior which they’ve stepped up to the plate to label any and every act concerning a picture, or breast or whatever automatically criminal. But we don’t want to go there, do we? That would cut into peoples “feeling of doing good” by hating those of us who got caught up in some stupid mistake and then on the registry. I really wonder if this post will even be put up on the board.

Double Jeopardy doesn’t seem to hold much weight nowadays. Least they always tend to claim the “whoops” excuse then pass the buck.

I was arrested 6 times in 2 years for failing to register. ( And I never failed to register either). After about the 4th time The same cop kept arresting me, saying “uh, something isn’t right here” and didn’t even handcuff me the last 3 times.
It appeared someone didn’t enter information correctly when I sold my house and bought a new one in same area. ( county) It was thrown out of court on all 6 times.
The last two times I never even gotten into the court room, the prosecutor walked by
looked at me, put his head down shaking it with the ” Oh Thiiittt” look and walked back over to me with a dismissal. that quick. No apologies or nothing.

Attorney made it clear that next time suit gets filed. So far that was years ago.
Point is verify all info is correct and verify they filed it, and changed it. So many times when having to go in for registration the police forget, and papers end up….well who knows. Point is they are over burdened with having to keep up the registry. They actually don’t like doing the paperwork. A point mentioned in the 6th court of appeals case that it is a burden to state and it cost $1.3 million a year to keep it up Tax payers foot the bill.
They want to save money, do something better with it like fix the roads, or flints water. Instead of the registry.

It should end it but it won’t. After the enactment of the registary, sentencing judges
are required to inform you and included it as part of the sentencing. If you pled to
it in your plea deal, then your bound to it. It’s within their legal jurisdiction now. And really hard to challenge.

However, if you were sentence and that was NOT part of your sentencing and
Plea agreement, then yes it’s challengeable and those are (I think), will be the ones
that this case affects and subject to be removed. Reference from several different law Offices. I myself hold two graduate degrees and yea, I’m an offender as well. We all come from different walks of life and make bad mistakes.

I do hope it changes a lot of the registary and that, but that’s wishful thinking.
The AG’s office is not going down without a fight, there’s a lot behind him.
But is all sense, the constitution is the constitution, lets hope for positive results
in the up coming weeks.

It will only apply to those convicted prior to enactment of 2006 and 2011.

The registary will always be in place, even if the 6th court decisions is upheld
Those prior to 2006, won’t really be off the registary, just won’t be searchable
for public, and reporting duties will seize for those prior to those dates.

I have been on it 25 years, I travel to different countries without a problem.
Notify proper people ( local fuzz) that I’m traveling and there’s never a problem.
The new law that Obama signed is going to be a doozer for many as it places
restrictions and burden on the whole family not just the offender. Be sure
to Log into that Live voice your opinion and be heard to get this overturned, or
you’ll be on a world wide registary, not just your state.

Well said,

People need to look closely at the people they are voting for. What do they
Stand for. Correct me if I’m wrong, But read that republican Vice presidential nominee ” Pence” and his Office, wrote the SORA. Pence is very strict on it.

That said, in the days of Clinton, The truth in sentencing was put into place,
and even the smallest of Sex crimes was punishable instead of probation. The build up of jails and prisons went thru the roof when Clinton was president.

Hard choices, Fact is, as long as there is sexual crimes crossing the desks
of prosecutor’s in every state, the laws will for ever be harsh until it stops.
The anger goes to a point of crossing the line in punishment however. Problem is, the public will agree on them crossing that line and getting away, until high courts rule they can’t do that… and folks, they count on that because it take a recent offender to challenge it. A vicious circle, abuse of power that needs to stop.

Hi all and rwvnral,

I heard from a few Laywers that deal in Sexual cases that once it does go back to the federal district judge, it may very well only apply to the Named plaintiff’s. Meaning that each offender will have to file individually to be heard and taken off. This may very well be their way of analyzing and determining risk factors of that individual.

It’s all about money, you have it, you’ll get off it. The argument in the courts and even with AG’s office and Head of State police is that yeah, there are those that need to be monitored closely. News media puts a new case on news of an offender daily. Problem is, no matter how bad the case is of the new offender, they categorize ALL into same category and adds fuel for the AG’s office.

The state needs to have an actual risk assessment of each and every offender, because there are many that are not the risk the state claims them to be, and there are those that yeah, They want to watch them.

Lol, in bout 20 years half of all adults and minors in this 50 country debacle will have convictions of some kind, I live in one of the most criminal nations on earth. I have never met a person in this country who is not an alcoholic, drug abuser, or sexually promiscuous, and who didnt steal, lie, or cheat.

Whats so amazing is how this nation fails to understand it is convicting itself into isolation. I mean really if you are a foreigner why would you risk coming here to be robbed, raped, and murdered, even by cops. Its really ridiculous to see the insane things these people are doing.

There is really no sense of law here anymore, one judge says its this, another says its that, its like watching the three stooges, who at least make you laugh. Its so demoralizing. I dont even really know what america even stands for anymore. Maybe thats why some people admire some dictators because at least if they say they will kill you they will, lol.

Our judges dont go by law much anymore, they go by political outcomes. They think that by bending the law they are holding this nation together, when it fact it is having the opposite effect. No one believes anything they say anymore.

Some people might think im ungrateful for these comments, but you know something, im not, ive done a lot for a lot of people, a lot more good than anything else, but still im like a leper used to be in india, isolated and ignored by an entire country, or 50 countries in one. I say that because I honestly believe soon this experiment will fragment and you will have to pay to go from one state to another. Its just a matter of time we will resemble europe.

Oh well, I just hope I will be able to reside in one of the 50 countries or at least pay me to leave. An american should have the option of being paid to give up their citizensip and live peacefully elsewhere. Just a thought, lol.

Punishment is grossly disproportional to the crime. In most cases the offender is a male and victim is a female. As woman are becoming more independent of sexual purity is no longer perceived as highly as it was few decades ago. Most girls know a lot about sex through internet and other means as soon as they have their puberty. Sexual contact is not as dreaded as it used to be. A sexual experience during teenage years is very common. An affair outside of marriage has become non-consequential for a woman’s character. Woman are no longer tarnished by society for experiencing sexual assault.

Technology has made sexual experience beyond traditionally accepted norms possible and acceptable. Schools have started giving condoms to middle school kids. There are so many changes to the sexual experience in peoples lives that would eventually make lot of sexual contacts a tolerable unpleasant experience, instead of lifelong stigmatizing memory.

Considering all these advancement in sex in our life, punishment for sex offenses should be moderated. Instead of spending resources by imprisoning millions of people for sex offenses, resources can be used to educate people against sex crimes. We have started educating children to report sex crimes. We should also educate young and adult not to commit these crimes.

Prostitution is a crime in most part of the country. Prostitution is similar to drugs. People have practiced both of them for centuries and considered them as criminal business. As society advances we should consider regulating them instead of trying to stop them. Some people in some circumstance do need prostitution as they would need drugs. We have realized that marijuana should be made legal. We should also realize that erotic services should be made legal and regulated. When erotic services is made legal lot of sex related crimes will be gone. A couple with non-compatible sexual desires can seek their pleasure outside without breaking the family and destroying kids future. It is like people with chronic pain finds help from marijuana. When erotic services are made legal we will not see pimp with guns peddling prostitution. Government can establish zoning, tax codes and policing to protect such business from crime and violence.

Sex offenders are required to register and the information is available to the public. That is a form of punishment equivalent of untouchable lower castes in India. Sex offenders cannot find a place to rent. They are turned off from jobs. It is almost identical to lower caste people in India in previous centuries. Lower caste people could not find a job even if they are qualified. They could only get socially undignified jobs. We see that most sex offenders can do jobs like truck driver or other form of hard labor that are undesired by general population. Sex offenders are life long untouchable outcaste in modern american society.

I have been watching this case since last year when Judge Cleland issued is ruling. People are often overlooking sex offenders families. Years ago, we were given custody by the court of a 14 year old relative who was put on the sex offender registry. I think at the time it was for 25 years. Then the tier system became law, and he was put on the registry for life. Since there are few places he can live (refer to Grand Rapids, Mi. map), he is still living with us, although he has a good job and a girl friend and no more arrests. I hope this law becomes final soon.

In the meantime lots of time and money will be wasted providing people false hope that they are safe. I remember watching a stranger danger movie over 40 years ago in school, but they never warnd us about our own parents, relatives and friends.

In any case, I would hope those who have offended find a way to control themselves and find some way to be productive even when faced with such odds. Just remember, life isnt easy no matter what your past reveals about you. Just look at trump, despite all of his ignorance he may be our next president. Lol