Thank you You hit the nail right on the head!

Bravo, Maestro! Google free Abigail Simon, or Michael Kuehl, Abigail Simon, and read the articles and blog-posts on my website in which I invoke the same facts and make the same arguments as you do here but in much greater scope and detail.

Million man march?? Anyone??? Let us consider the basics on logistics.

I agree that we need more social programs. All of the offenders I met have deep seeded wounds that have left them isolated and untrusting of many people in general. They need to be able to talk to non judging people with empathetic ears. People who share the same hurt but with many different tragic life stories. This evidence comes from the experience of being within the inner circle of group therapy.
I have also been involved with my church mens group that has the same atmosphere as an offender therapy group only without the therapist but with total anonymity. Men are more insecure than they want to portray because of social norms and popular cultural beliefs how ever misinformed they are. We need more mens groups inside and outside of the church to share there struggles with one another in a safe environment that enables one to encourage vulnerability. Thank You ROSL for your presence and voice I plan to be more active from now on.

Unfortunately the threads on here are limited so I have to respond out of order… As far as the studies:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/191645/americans-support-gay-marriage-remains-high.aspx

http://www.gallup.com/poll/1651/gay-lesbian-rights.aspx

Both are Gallup Polls, which I believe is a reliable source.

http://www.people-press.org/2016/03/31/2-views-on-immigration-diversity-social-issues/#same-sex-marriage-divides-gop-supporters-more-than-democrats

There is a Pew research showing 57% of people support gay marriage.

If you have some legitimate polls or studies that counter those I’d love to read them.

I am not trying to change your views, I’m sure you have your personal reasons that you feel the way you do about homosexuality. You made some blatantly false statements about gays and I was only trying to correct your false statements. Maybe just express your views about the gay community as your own and not make them as if you are supported by the majority of people or even the majority of other sex offenders.

We will agree to disagree on what “normal sexual behavior” is. Homosexuality is found in ALL species, not just us humans. I would argue that makes it pretty natural and a normal part of nature. Dolphins, apes, and penguins didn’t “learn” this behavior from some gay propaganda. I didn’t choose to be gay anymore than one day you chose to be straight.

The gay community is used to the rhetoric that you are expressing. It is usually by those who are battling hatred of themselves or covering up their own homosexual tendencies, such as Ted Haggard, Larry Craig, etc. It is those who express the most hatred and bigotry who usually end up getting arrested for or involved in a scandal regarding some sexual impropriety with another male… hmm.

I think as far as the registry and the need for change you and I could probably agree on many things. I think finding a way to get the general public to agree that the registry and other restrictions are wrong and unconstitutional is the goal. If the approach of the civil rights movement (for gays or others) is a path forward then what is wrong with that? My point is your approach of trying to defend any illegal or improper sexual relationship as a first step will stop anyone from listening. I have seen other posts that have been linked on this site where the general public’s response to any argument or ruling against the registry is that it sounds like we want to make sex with underage people okay. That is a non-starter for us gaining rights in regards to the misuse and abuse of the registry.

Ciao

I hear you man.

My opinion is that these SORA crusaders ARE “just like us”- they just don’t happen to be on a registry. Their motives are not pure and protecting the vulnerable is NOT their mission. We are the outlet for their shortcomings and emotional turmoil, that’s all.

Greg, and others.. We appreciate that you are engaging in this difficult communication with civility and respect for varying opinions. Please continue to do so. RSOL’s course is often difficult to navigate for the very reason that there are a multitude of divergent ideologies represented by the individuals who support our general goal: the elimination of public sex offender registries in addition to all the onerous restrictions and prohibitions that come with them. We take great pains not to alienate anyone on account of his or her perspectives about culture, politics, religion, or human sexuality (among other things). And we are vigilant in our efforts to form alliances with ALL groups and people who support our goal so long as such groups or people do not advocate lawlessness as a means to this end. Consequently, we stay quiet and reserved on questions related to age of consent laws because we recognize that the issue is highly controversial and not “strictly” related to the issues of registries or the restrictions which flow from registration.

To clarify exactly, I am not intending to insult or demean any individual.

I mean exactly what I wrote on the other subjects.

I did not precisely advocate for age of consent changes, as you mistakenly state. But, it is clear they are what they are for the benefit of making criminals out of persons engaging in victimless and consensual relationships.

If someone genuinely harms and victimizes a ‘child,’ well, we already have laws that pertain to harm and victimization realities, regardless of ages. Why would age difference have any special significance? Why, because we have a mistaken society wide belief that children are ‘special’ or innately innocent, and they are not. Children know how to lie and manipulate and connive AND they volunteer and are interested in learning about their bodies. They are happy to have friendly guidance from an adult sometimes. My main point here is that simply because sex contact happens, it is not necessarily creating in reality a victim that has suffered harm or injury.

In case you’re curious, I’ve never had nor do I want anything personally to do with children. My ‘sex’ crime did not involve a child. It is a non-contact misdemeanor and the alleged ‘victim’ was an adult male. It was a crazy misunderstanding between neighbors.

The laws of long ago had homosex behavior as illegal – the original reference was in reply to Jeremy’s reference of 70s and 80s – an era preceding the law changes that have us in the present homosex permissive culture.

I do not believe the statistics and percentages you cite are bona fide, irrefutable, or unbiased, purely-scientifically collected data. Most likely it is skewed and manipulated data. Many, many studies and polls could be cited, but only those done by reputable pollsters using unbiased methods are reliable.

Normal male sexual behavior is adult heterosex. That is what reproduces. That is what fathers are. Homosex is inherently self destructive and non-reproductive. If someone wants to lead a life of homosex behavior, as several of my relatives do, that is their private business.

To reiterate, my main point is how is RSOL going to want to portray itself in a public relations way? Like I wrote, we want press about RSOL and any contact the uninitiated public has with RSOL to be positive and to come across as a group that has the better interest of civil and human rights for all in mind. Better, of course, than the proponents of registries and strict laws based upon fear-mongering, myth and conjecture.

I spoke with several RSOL members at the Atlanta conference and I found the consensus does agree with my previous assertions. The desire of identification with the lgbtq advocates is not shared by most of those I asked. Of course, that was just me asking, nothing scientific about that. I was posting here being a voice for those I did speak with. Maybe RSOL should have a broader mission statement that clearly defines their position on this specific issue, and other issues as well??

Greg