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	Comments on: Judge rules molestation conviction requires proof of intent	</title>
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		By: Maestro		</title>
		<link>https://www.narsol.org/2017/04/judge-rules-molestation-conviction-requires-proof-of-intent/#comment-22092</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Maestro]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Apr 2017 02:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.narsol.org/2017/04/judge-rules-molestation-conviction-requires-proof-of-intent/#comment-22081&quot;&gt;Mike Flores&lt;/a&gt;.

Mike Flores,

You wrote:

&quot;maybe they are the ones with perverted intentions and they think that everyone is like them.&quot;

I&#039;d like to say that this very thought has passed through my mind several times since experiencing the laws after my offense. I truly believe the MEN who make these laws have perverted thoughts. And some of them even act on them. Mark Foley, anyone?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.narsol.org/2017/04/judge-rules-molestation-conviction-requires-proof-of-intent/#comment-22081">Mike Flores</a>.</p>
<p>Mike Flores,</p>
<p>You wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;maybe they are the ones with perverted intentions and they think that everyone is like them.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to say that this very thought has passed through my mind several times since experiencing the laws after my offense. I truly believe the MEN who make these laws have perverted thoughts. And some of them even act on them. Mark Foley, anyone?</p>
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		By: Maestro		</title>
		<link>https://www.narsol.org/2017/04/judge-rules-molestation-conviction-requires-proof-of-intent/#comment-22091</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Maestro]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Apr 2017 00:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ok,  hold on a moment,,, So basically, some baffoon in the Arizona legislature decided to write a law that would make changing a baby&#039;s diaper a &quot;sex offense&quot;?
Has this law-maker considered maybe having his/her own parents charged with a sex offense for changing his/her diaper as a child? 
As far as I know, ALL sexual offenses no longer have a statute of limitations so.....someone please bring charges against the parents of the (now adult) law-makers. That&#039;ll learn &#039;em!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok,  hold on a moment,,, So basically, some baffoon in the Arizona legislature decided to write a law that would make changing a baby&#8217;s diaper a &#8220;sex offense&#8221;?<br />
Has this law-maker considered maybe having his/her own parents charged with a sex offense for changing his/her diaper as a child?<br />
As far as I know, ALL sexual offenses no longer have a statute of limitations so&#8230;..someone please bring charges against the parents of the (now adult) law-makers. That&#8217;ll learn &#8217;em!</p>
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		By: Nicholas Maietta		</title>
		<link>https://www.narsol.org/2017/04/judge-rules-molestation-conviction-requires-proof-of-intent/#comment-22090</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nicholas Maietta]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Apr 2017 23:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Now what about everyone who&#039;s been charged who isn&#039;t guilty? Their mugshots are probably still online.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now what about everyone who&#8217;s been charged who isn&#8217;t guilty? Their mugshots are probably still online.</p>
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		By: Tim Mercer		</title>
		<link>https://www.narsol.org/2017/04/judge-rules-molestation-conviction-requires-proof-of-intent/#comment-22089</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim Mercer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Apr 2017 18:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.narsol.org/2017/04/judge-rules-molestation-conviction-requires-proof-of-intent/#comment-22079&quot;&gt;sandy&lt;/a&gt;.

California Courts have held to such legal railroading for years. And it has paid the state well. State and County financial  hoppers are filled with such lucrative unethically  gained finances. 
But we &quot;Californa&quot; in our legislative efforts have taken it to a new level of insanity by adopting the California One Whitness law.. It states... &quot; Any one Whitness who&#039;s testimony in not discredited begore a trier of fact is suficient for a verdict&quot;
In essence, burden of proof be gone.. It literally places the burden of proof on the shoulders of the defendant. And allows a conviction based on any statement made by any one person with no other required evidence. 
Further is allows prosecutors to shift the burden of proof upon any defendant with no redress required. 
When the right of any defendant is violated.. We are all at risk untill injustice is redressed.. 
Bottom line is simple.. 
WE ARE ALL AT RISK.. 
TBM]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.narsol.org/2017/04/judge-rules-molestation-conviction-requires-proof-of-intent/#comment-22079">sandy</a>.</p>
<p>California Courts have held to such legal railroading for years. And it has paid the state well. State and County financial  hoppers are filled with such lucrative unethically  gained finances.<br />
But we &#8220;Californa&#8221; in our legislative efforts have taken it to a new level of insanity by adopting the California One Whitness law.. It states&#8230; &#8221; Any one Whitness who&#8217;s testimony in not discredited begore a trier of fact is suficient for a verdict&#8221;<br />
In essence, burden of proof be gone.. It literally places the burden of proof on the shoulders of the defendant. And allows a conviction based on any statement made by any one person with no other required evidence.<br />
Further is allows prosecutors to shift the burden of proof upon any defendant with no redress required.<br />
When the right of any defendant is violated.. We are all at risk untill injustice is redressed..<br />
Bottom line is simple..<br />
WE ARE ALL AT RISK..<br />
TBM</p>
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		By: Tim Mercer		</title>
		<link>https://www.narsol.org/2017/04/judge-rules-molestation-conviction-requires-proof-of-intent/#comment-22088</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim Mercer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Apr 2017 18:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.narsol.org/2017/04/judge-rules-molestation-conviction-requires-proof-of-intent/#comment-22083&quot;&gt;Twist the law like a pretzel&lt;/a&gt;.

Its a simple conclusion.. They write such laws because it pays the state well. 300k for a two day trial.. 
TBM]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.narsol.org/2017/04/judge-rules-molestation-conviction-requires-proof-of-intent/#comment-22083">Twist the law like a pretzel</a>.</p>
<p>Its a simple conclusion.. They write such laws because it pays the state well. 300k for a two day trial..<br />
TBM</p>
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		By: NH Registrant		</title>
		<link>https://www.narsol.org/2017/04/judge-rules-molestation-conviction-requires-proof-of-intent/#comment-22087</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[NH Registrant]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Apr 2017 06:34:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If that &quot;law&quot; was allowed to continue, it would have made EVERY SINGLE PARENT ever into an &quot;offender&quot;.  What ridiculousness! Who wrote that ridiculous law? Who&#039;s hair-brained idea was it? They should be removed from the ability to write ANY laws in the future and SHAME on on the state of Arizona for going to the appeals process! Are these people totally insane? Do they not realize the scope of what they are doing? This kind of insanity in our governments really bothers me to the core! It should bother EVERYONE to the core who has an ounce of sanity and common sense!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If that &#8220;law&#8221; was allowed to continue, it would have made EVERY SINGLE PARENT ever into an &#8220;offender&#8221;.  What ridiculousness! Who wrote that ridiculous law? Who&#8217;s hair-brained idea was it? They should be removed from the ability to write ANY laws in the future and SHAME on on the state of Arizona for going to the appeals process! Are these people totally insane? Do they not realize the scope of what they are doing? This kind of insanity in our governments really bothers me to the core! It should bother EVERYONE to the core who has an ounce of sanity and common sense!</p>
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		By: Curtis McPhetridge		</title>
		<link>https://www.narsol.org/2017/04/judge-rules-molestation-conviction-requires-proof-of-intent/#comment-22086</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Curtis McPhetridge]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Apr 2017 03:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.narsol.org/2017/04/judge-rules-molestation-conviction-requires-proof-of-intent/#comment-22082&quot;&gt;Mad as Hell&lt;/a&gt;.


This is the most crazy and insane law I have ever heard of. How are parent supposed to teach and take care of their kids. These law makers all need to be fired and locked up for being to stupid and don&#039;t need to be in society because they are a danger to everybody else including there own families. The judge made the right decision and AZ should be ashamed of themselves for passing such an insane law. This is what society has turned into a bunch of stupid individuals who know nothing about anything and have nothing else better to do than make up retarded laws like this. How shameful is this. I will never go to AZ now.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.narsol.org/2017/04/judge-rules-molestation-conviction-requires-proof-of-intent/#comment-22082">Mad as Hell</a>.</p>
<p>This is the most crazy and insane law I have ever heard of. How are parent supposed to teach and take care of their kids. These law makers all need to be fired and locked up for being to stupid and don&#8217;t need to be in society because they are a danger to everybody else including there own families. The judge made the right decision and AZ should be ashamed of themselves for passing such an insane law. This is what society has turned into a bunch of stupid individuals who know nothing about anything and have nothing else better to do than make up retarded laws like this. How shameful is this. I will never go to AZ now.</p>
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		By: Due process still exists		</title>
		<link>https://www.narsol.org/2017/04/judge-rules-molestation-conviction-requires-proof-of-intent/#comment-22085</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Due process still exists]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Apr 2017 22:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is from another SOL website that was too good to not share here:

&quot; &#039;You write into the law that we have to prove sexual motivation and now you have created a burden that currently does not exist in Arizona law.

The due process clauses of the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments &#039;[protect] the accused against conviction except upon proof beyond a reasonable doubt of every fact necessary to constitute the crime with which he is charged.&#039;

Seemingly the Maricopa County Attorney&#039;s Office wants to skip over the part where one is considered innocence until proven guilty by a jury of his peers, and just lock people up.&quot;

Hopefully, if the appeal is heard at the next level, they realize this basic fundamental part known as due process of the law still exists in our country and shouldn&#039;t be disregarded just because AZ law does not specifically call it out.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is from another SOL website that was too good to not share here:</p>
<p>&#8221; &#8216;You write into the law that we have to prove sexual motivation and now you have created a burden that currently does not exist in Arizona law.</p>
<p>The due process clauses of the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments &#8216;[protect] the accused against conviction except upon proof beyond a reasonable doubt of every fact necessary to constitute the crime with which he is charged.&#8217;</p>
<p>Seemingly the Maricopa County Attorney&#8217;s Office wants to skip over the part where one is considered innocence until proven guilty by a jury of his peers, and just lock people up.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hopefully, if the appeal is heard at the next level, they realize this basic fundamental part known as due process of the law still exists in our country and shouldn&#8217;t be disregarded just because AZ law does not specifically call it out.</p>
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		By: Legislative questioning		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Legislative questioning]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Apr 2017 16:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.narsol.org/2017/04/judge-rules-molestation-conviction-requires-proof-of-intent/#comment-22079&quot;&gt;sandy&lt;/a&gt;.

Be nice to see the legislative members and the governor hauled into a session to defend what they meant then when they created this law and debated it before passing it and having it signed into law.  It is, maybe, all documented and can be reviewed by the public record (not sure if all committee meetings are documented for the public record and we know getting emails on the topic can be hard to get), but for them to defend themselves in front of someone or a panel and then learn how it could be thought of differently would be a concept worth the price of admission.  A public second guessing of their work could possibly get them to maybe think more before actually seeing it to a vote?  I said maybe, not realistically, because it would require an open mind for them to see the other ways it can be construed and legislatures rarely have open minds when it comes to other ways of thinking besides theirs. Legislative members are on the same level with attorneys in public opinion as given by their low ratings.

Kudos to Judge Wake on this.....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.narsol.org/2017/04/judge-rules-molestation-conviction-requires-proof-of-intent/#comment-22079">sandy</a>.</p>
<p>Be nice to see the legislative members and the governor hauled into a session to defend what they meant then when they created this law and debated it before passing it and having it signed into law.  It is, maybe, all documented and can be reviewed by the public record (not sure if all committee meetings are documented for the public record and we know getting emails on the topic can be hard to get), but for them to defend themselves in front of someone or a panel and then learn how it could be thought of differently would be a concept worth the price of admission.  A public second guessing of their work could possibly get them to maybe think more before actually seeing it to a vote?  I said maybe, not realistically, because it would require an open mind for them to see the other ways it can be construed and legislatures rarely have open minds when it comes to other ways of thinking besides theirs. Legislative members are on the same level with attorneys in public opinion as given by their low ratings.</p>
<p>Kudos to Judge Wake on this&#8230;..</p>
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		By: Twist the law like a pretzel		</title>
		<link>https://www.narsol.org/2017/04/judge-rules-molestation-conviction-requires-proof-of-intent/#comment-22083</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Twist the law like a pretzel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Apr 2017 15:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mens rea is a tricky thing when someone gets a hold of it and decides to manipulate it when it did not exist in the first place...

Mens rea = criminal intent (short definition)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mens rea is a tricky thing when someone gets a hold of it and decides to manipulate it when it did not exist in the first place&#8230;</p>
<p>Mens rea = criminal intent (short definition)</p>
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