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	Comments on: &#8220;Colorado Politics&#8221; quotes NARSOL, Professor Ira Ellman in case showing flaws in registry system	</title>
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		By: Edge finesse		</title>
		<link>https://www.narsol.org/2022/07/colorado-politics-quotes-narsol-professor-ira-ellman-in-case-showing-flaws-in-registry-system/#comment-24980</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Edge finesse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Sep 2022 14:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.narsol.org/2022/07/colorado-politics-quotes-narsol-professor-ira-ellman-in-case-showing-flaws-in-registry-system/#comment-24975&quot;&gt;Tim in WI&lt;/a&gt;.

The big question can the registry really truly monitor know if your complying beyond updating address, work, vehicles the bars minimum to be compliant..the last post poses a great question how does the registry truly work beyond self reporting &quot;telling on yourself&quot; I can&#039;t see a compliant person whom is current on the basics walking around with a target on his back per se, what I&#039;m saying is I believe it&#039;s impossible to enforce much of restrictions or know if a measure is being broken unless...your actively breaking the law drawing attention to yourself, admitting you broke a articulable rule, my thoughts are it&#039;s a system that only works by what you tell them and works off the premise of hoping you reveal your hand..I post this this way not to encourage law breaking or but to me most of the registry infringes on elementary rights and freedoms or makes very basic functions and liberties complex more than needed...so Why not just know what and what not to say and report..in my opinion most of it is discovers only by what you admit and what you reveal]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.narsol.org/2022/07/colorado-politics-quotes-narsol-professor-ira-ellman-in-case-showing-flaws-in-registry-system/#comment-24975">Tim in WI</a>.</p>
<p>The big question can the registry really truly monitor know if your complying beyond updating address, work, vehicles the bars minimum to be compliant..the last post poses a great question how does the registry truly work beyond self reporting &#8220;telling on yourself&#8221; I can&#8217;t see a compliant person whom is current on the basics walking around with a target on his back per se, what I&#8217;m saying is I believe it&#8217;s impossible to enforce much of restrictions or know if a measure is being broken unless&#8230;your actively breaking the law drawing attention to yourself, admitting you broke a articulable rule, my thoughts are it&#8217;s a system that only works by what you tell them and works off the premise of hoping you reveal your hand..I post this this way not to encourage law breaking or but to me most of the registry infringes on elementary rights and freedoms or makes very basic functions and liberties complex more than needed&#8230;so Why not just know what and what not to say and report..in my opinion most of it is discovers only by what you admit and what you reveal</p>
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		By: Tim in WI		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim in WI]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jul 2022 08:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.narsol.org/2022/07/colorado-politics-quotes-narsol-professor-ira-ellman-in-case-showing-flaws-in-registry-system/#comment-24974&quot;&gt;James in Indy&lt;/a&gt;.

Ya see that is the difference between him and me. When I got out on MR, treatment was &quot;mandatory&quot;+ so was the fee ( @$5.00 per, lol), I refused to pay the guy, and took him to small claims court over it and won! Why? No record of such an order by a court for the forfeiture or treatment. I had plead not guilty. Judge told the state&#039;s man ( a psychologist) he could do it for free ( for me) if he chose. My Parole Agent said I did the right thing. She knew the score because I&#039;d brought the trail transcript to her to read. I tell ya that record plays a powerful role in the context of FTR. If you&#039;re gone use the database driven infrastructure to promote drama &#038; dissension via state sponsored social media why not make the most of it for of the local jury? Ellman gets the point: &quot;A reasonable question to ask&quot; except the affectation is a referral is to the legislative, and not to the people themselves. While FTR bench judges will attempt to limit the temporal scope of the (ex post facto )FTR trial nonetheless has the &quot; touchstone &quot; itself to cope with in a trial 30 or X yrs. removed. How much a gov spends on registration is an irrelevant question in FTR context, or at least a worthy of objection by the prosecution. Preliminary legally relevant question resolve in lines: What is the registry really?, How does the registry machine operate. Where is  the people&#039;s property kept?. How is it maintained &#038; funded? Who does what? What technology is involved specifically etc. are all valid and necessary questions for the people. The path of the registration form is fair game.  NARSOL and others need to focus on the database machine itself.  It is the effect of natural law that certain high justices are experiencing the &quot; road map functions &quot; sex offenders each have experienced in some ways.  Thanks internet!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.narsol.org/2022/07/colorado-politics-quotes-narsol-professor-ira-ellman-in-case-showing-flaws-in-registry-system/#comment-24974">James in Indy</a>.</p>
<p>Ya see that is the difference between him and me. When I got out on MR, treatment was &#8220;mandatory&#8221;+ so was the fee ( @$5.00 per, lol), I refused to pay the guy, and took him to small claims court over it and won! Why? No record of such an order by a court for the forfeiture or treatment. I had plead not guilty. Judge told the state&#8217;s man ( a psychologist) he could do it for free ( for me) if he chose. My Parole Agent said I did the right thing. She knew the score because I&#8217;d brought the trail transcript to her to read. I tell ya that record plays a powerful role in the context of FTR. If you&#8217;re gone use the database driven infrastructure to promote drama &amp; dissension via state sponsored social media why not make the most of it for of the local jury? Ellman gets the point: &#8220;A reasonable question to ask&#8221; except the affectation is a referral is to the legislative, and not to the people themselves. While FTR bench judges will attempt to limit the temporal scope of the (ex post facto )FTR trial nonetheless has the &#8221; touchstone &#8221; itself to cope with in a trial 30 or X yrs. removed. How much a gov spends on registration is an irrelevant question in FTR context, or at least a worthy of objection by the prosecution. Preliminary legally relevant question resolve in lines: What is the registry really?, How does the registry machine operate. Where is  the people&#8217;s property kept?. How is it maintained &amp; funded? Who does what? What technology is involved specifically etc. are all valid and necessary questions for the people. The path of the registration form is fair game.  NARSOL and others need to focus on the database machine itself.  It is the effect of natural law that certain high justices are experiencing the &#8221; road map functions &#8221; sex offenders each have experienced in some ways.  Thanks internet!</p>
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		By: James in Indy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James in Indy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2022 01:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Another example of how the system has taken treatment and supervision and essentially defined them as punishment. Sentencing him to treatment and supervision even though his choice to not follow registry rules. That&#039;s punishment, NOT treatment. I was in treatment with a man who served 96 months for possession of CSAM, spent 6 years of his LIFETIME supervision in the so-called &quot;treatment&quot; with mandatory 6-month polygraphs (which he consistently &quot;passed&quot;). After he graduated the treatment program (6 years weekly at $85/wk), he used his wife&#039;s unmonitored laptop to do some legal research that his monitored smartphone would not access. He admitted the 1-time use, passed his polygraph, then his federal supervisor ordered him BACK into weekly treatment, at $85 per week. The treatment program he completed!! Yes treatment works, but NOT when it&#039;s used as punishment.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another example of how the system has taken treatment and supervision and essentially defined them as punishment. Sentencing him to treatment and supervision even though his choice to not follow registry rules. That&#8217;s punishment, NOT treatment. I was in treatment with a man who served 96 months for possession of CSAM, spent 6 years of his LIFETIME supervision in the so-called &#8220;treatment&#8221; with mandatory 6-month polygraphs (which he consistently &#8220;passed&#8221;). After he graduated the treatment program (6 years weekly at $85/wk), he used his wife&#8217;s unmonitored laptop to do some legal research that his monitored smartphone would not access. He admitted the 1-time use, passed his polygraph, then his federal supervisor ordered him BACK into weekly treatment, at $85 per week. The treatment program he completed!! Yes treatment works, but NOT when it&#8217;s used as punishment.</p>
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		By: Tim in WI		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim in WI]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jul 2022 16:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[All I can say NARSOL is that this is a guy who could be defended in the context of state felony FTR indictment. It would take a jury of &quot;honest people&quot; though. I infer he plead to the original case. Meaning state has the signed standard waiver in hand? Either way with or without waiver, the original record IS in play in that context. The law &#038; constitution doesn&#039;t permit states to use evidence twice to convict, but that notion does not preclude an individual from using the record itself is in own defense! Any person identified on the Judgement of Conviction underpinning FTR infraction is in play. If per chance or choice the original conviction was appealed too is in play. Usually the first jury question is: The person was a person who was required to register under sec....&quot; That is 2 was(es) meaning you must refer to the past twice,  the specific meaning of &quot;was&quot; could be interpreted as &quot;at the time of conviction.&quot; Why? We don&#039;t go indicting persons for jail brake or absconding without first providing the proper paperwork affirming the procedurally applied obligation in the first place. See KY v Pedilla. Whichever syndromes the man suffers is also fair food for jury along with expert testimony.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I can say NARSOL is that this is a guy who could be defended in the context of state felony FTR indictment. It would take a jury of &#8220;honest people&#8221; though. I infer he plead to the original case. Meaning state has the signed standard waiver in hand? Either way with or without waiver, the original record IS in play in that context. The law &amp; constitution doesn&#8217;t permit states to use evidence twice to convict, but that notion does not preclude an individual from using the record itself is in own defense! Any person identified on the Judgement of Conviction underpinning FTR infraction is in play. If per chance or choice the original conviction was appealed too is in play. Usually the first jury question is: The person was a person who was required to register under sec&#8230;.&#8221; That is 2 was(es) meaning you must refer to the past twice,  the specific meaning of &#8220;was&#8221; could be interpreted as &#8220;at the time of conviction.&#8221; Why? We don&#8217;t go indicting persons for jail brake or absconding without first providing the proper paperwork affirming the procedurally applied obligation in the first place. See KY v Pedilla. Whichever syndromes the man suffers is also fair food for jury along with expert testimony.</p>
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