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	Comments on: In Wisconsin:  Important Seventh Circuit Decision on the Ex Post Facto Clause	</title>
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		By: mut		</title>
		<link>https://www.narsol.org/2022/08/in-wisconsin-important-seventh-circuit-decision-on-the-ex-post-facto-clause/#comment-25320</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mut]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2022 22:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.narsol.org/2022/08/in-wisconsin-important-seventh-circuit-decision-on-the-ex-post-facto-clause/#comment-25055&quot;&gt;rpsabq&lt;/a&gt;.

providing information through a life long duty to register is worth money to government. private enterprise and the general public  so i think its an easement across my liberty -- a servitude -- plainly prohibited by the 13th amendment.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.narsol.org/2022/08/in-wisconsin-important-seventh-circuit-decision-on-the-ex-post-facto-clause/#comment-25055">rpsabq</a>.</p>
<p>providing information through a life long duty to register is worth money to government. private enterprise and the general public  so i think its an easement across my liberty &#8212; a servitude &#8212; plainly prohibited by the 13th amendment.</p>
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		By: mut		</title>
		<link>https://www.narsol.org/2022/08/in-wisconsin-important-seventh-circuit-decision-on-the-ex-post-facto-clause/#comment-25319</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mut]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2022 22:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.narsol.org/2022/08/in-wisconsin-important-seventh-circuit-decision-on-the-ex-post-facto-clause/#comment-24997&quot;&gt;Jim&lt;/a&gt;.

i think congress has taken up all the courts time with their internal bickering.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.narsol.org/2022/08/in-wisconsin-important-seventh-circuit-decision-on-the-ex-post-facto-clause/#comment-24997">Jim</a>.</p>
<p>i think congress has taken up all the courts time with their internal bickering.</p>
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		By: mut		</title>
		<link>https://www.narsol.org/2022/08/in-wisconsin-important-seventh-circuit-decision-on-the-ex-post-facto-clause/#comment-25318</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mut]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2022 22:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.narsol.org/2022/08/in-wisconsin-important-seventh-circuit-decision-on-the-ex-post-facto-clause/#comment-24996&quot;&gt;Anonymous&lt;/a&gt;.

and ... it also lowers the marketability of my neighbors property. i suppose they could sue over that.  maybe they would rather whine and snivell.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.narsol.org/2022/08/in-wisconsin-important-seventh-circuit-decision-on-the-ex-post-facto-clause/#comment-24996">Anonymous</a>.</p>
<p>and &#8230; it also lowers the marketability of my neighbors property. i suppose they could sue over that.  maybe they would rather whine and snivell.</p>
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		By: mut		</title>
		<link>https://www.narsol.org/2022/08/in-wisconsin-important-seventh-circuit-decision-on-the-ex-post-facto-clause/#comment-25317</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mut]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2022 23:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[stunned at how they twist and turn. glad you straightened em out. great job!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>stunned at how they twist and turn. glad you straightened em out. great job!</p>
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		By: Tim in WI		</title>
		<link>https://www.narsol.org/2022/08/in-wisconsin-important-seventh-circuit-decision-on-the-ex-post-facto-clause/#comment-25313</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim in WI]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2022 20:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.narsol.org/2022/08/in-wisconsin-important-seventh-circuit-decision-on-the-ex-post-facto-clause/#comment-24992&quot;&gt;Jerry&lt;/a&gt;.

The lies you describe were known to the founders. They made great efforts to purposely separate the federal and state police powers perpetuity. The &quot;day to day lives of the citizens&quot; was left to the  States power.  The lies evolve from necessities of the larger fed which has expanded its reach into the day to day.   The real costs of D.C..]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.narsol.org/2022/08/in-wisconsin-important-seventh-circuit-decision-on-the-ex-post-facto-clause/#comment-24992">Jerry</a>.</p>
<p>The lies you describe were known to the founders. They made great efforts to purposely separate the federal and state police powers perpetuity. The &#8220;day to day lives of the citizens&#8221; was left to the  States power.  The lies evolve from necessities of the larger fed which has expanded its reach into the day to day.   The real costs of D.C..</p>
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		By: John		</title>
		<link>https://www.narsol.org/2022/08/in-wisconsin-important-seventh-circuit-decision-on-the-ex-post-facto-clause/#comment-25308</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2022 10:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Why MUST every defendant PROVE that these Registration Laws violated the Ex Post Facto and that the Registration is punitive? Should not case law already be established in this regard?
       If i violate any of 30+ requirements of the Civil requirement, I will be charged with a Class C criminal FELONY, including not paying fees.. which is the eqiv. of debtors prison long ago abolished by SCOTUS.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why MUST every defendant PROVE that these Registration Laws violated the Ex Post Facto and that the Registration is punitive? Should not case law already be established in this regard?<br />
       If i violate any of 30+ requirements of the Civil requirement, I will be charged with a Class C criminal FELONY, including not paying fees.. which is the eqiv. of debtors prison long ago abolished by SCOTUS.</p>
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		By: Tim in WI		</title>
		<link>https://www.narsol.org/2022/08/in-wisconsin-important-seventh-circuit-decision-on-the-ex-post-facto-clause/#comment-25220</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim in WI]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Aug 2022 23:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.narsol.org/2022/08/in-wisconsin-important-seventh-circuit-decision-on-the-ex-post-facto-clause/#comment-24996&quot;&gt;Anonymous&lt;/a&gt;.

Correctly stated sir. It&#039;s always about &quot;property&quot; rights. For the database driven infrastructure is indeed property, some private, some public, but property none the less. Slavery naturally always includes or involves A notion of &quot;property maintenance.&quot; Some think big tech should be treated differently. but state DOC property is none the less an asset of property. Retroactive residential restrictions closely resemble the intent behind incarceration essentially TO KEEP OUT.  However SOR intent is more difficult to prove. Maintaining a presence in prison is different than maintaining a presence on database, nevertheless each are intended to impose affirmative restraint, even when the people deny the extraneous outcomes. Essentially we distinguish the difference between the intelligence of making &quot;the notice itself&quot; and the convenience  of &quot; the notice itself. &quot; The little boy Who cried Wolf.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.narsol.org/2022/08/in-wisconsin-important-seventh-circuit-decision-on-the-ex-post-facto-clause/#comment-24996">Anonymous</a>.</p>
<p>Correctly stated sir. It&#8217;s always about &#8220;property&#8221; rights. For the database driven infrastructure is indeed property, some private, some public, but property none the less. Slavery naturally always includes or involves A notion of &#8220;property maintenance.&#8221; Some think big tech should be treated differently. but state DOC property is none the less an asset of property. Retroactive residential restrictions closely resemble the intent behind incarceration essentially TO KEEP OUT.  However SOR intent is more difficult to prove. Maintaining a presence in prison is different than maintaining a presence on database, nevertheless each are intended to impose affirmative restraint, even when the people deny the extraneous outcomes. Essentially we distinguish the difference between the intelligence of making &#8220;the notice itself&#8221; and the convenience  of &#8221; the notice itself. &#8221; The little boy Who cried Wolf.</p>
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		By: A Mistake They Made		</title>
		<link>https://www.narsol.org/2022/08/in-wisconsin-important-seventh-circuit-decision-on-the-ex-post-facto-clause/#comment-25100</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A Mistake They Made]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2022 16:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The first time a court in this country came to the conclusion that the registry was punishment it should have cause a domino effect that changed all 50 states. The fact that they did not all change means they are vindictively doing it to us on purpose. I just finished my 10 year registration this year for a conviction I was not guilty of. I served the entire sentence including the extended registry punishment, and social life/financial destruction. I was convicted of something that was legal at the time I did it, this is why I did it as well because I thought I could. They passed a new law making it illegal while I was serving my time. My hatred of the system is off the scale already. If they choose to turn around in the future and change my registration status they will have a fight on their hands. They have already made a permanent enemy in me. I am invested in the destruction of the Sex Offender Registry with all I have. I don&#039;t have to play defense anymore!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first time a court in this country came to the conclusion that the registry was punishment it should have cause a domino effect that changed all 50 states. The fact that they did not all change means they are vindictively doing it to us on purpose. I just finished my 10 year registration this year for a conviction I was not guilty of. I served the entire sentence including the extended registry punishment, and social life/financial destruction. I was convicted of something that was legal at the time I did it, this is why I did it as well because I thought I could. They passed a new law making it illegal while I was serving my time. My hatred of the system is off the scale already. If they choose to turn around in the future and change my registration status they will have a fight on their hands. They have already made a permanent enemy in me. I am invested in the destruction of the Sex Offender Registry with all I have. I don&#8217;t have to play defense anymore!</p>
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		By: rpsabq		</title>
		<link>https://www.narsol.org/2022/08/in-wisconsin-important-seventh-circuit-decision-on-the-ex-post-facto-clause/#comment-25055</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rpsabq]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Aug 2022 11:03:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sending it back to the District Court, asking them to decide if it&#039;s punishment or not.....   More delay, more years waiting, more money for lawyers all because Courts don&#039;t want to state the obvious:  OF COURSE IT&#039;S PUNISHMENT!

It&#039;s really starting to be laughable. 

We need to start calling this what it is.   A willfull act of denial and a refusal to make the obvious ruling because they know it&#039;s GAME OVER once they start saying the forbidden word:  PUNISHMENT.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sending it back to the District Court, asking them to decide if it&#8217;s punishment or not&#8230;..   More delay, more years waiting, more money for lawyers all because Courts don&#8217;t want to state the obvious:  OF COURSE IT&#8217;S PUNISHMENT!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s really starting to be laughable. </p>
<p>We need to start calling this what it is.   A willfull act of denial and a refusal to make the obvious ruling because they know it&#8217;s GAME OVER once they start saying the forbidden word:  PUNISHMENT.</p>
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		By: Tim in WI		</title>
		<link>https://www.narsol.org/2022/08/in-wisconsin-important-seventh-circuit-decision-on-the-ex-post-facto-clause/#comment-25031</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim in WI]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Aug 2022 17:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.narsol.org/2022/08/in-wisconsin-important-seventh-circuit-decision-on-the-ex-post-facto-clause/#comment-24988&quot;&gt;AJ&lt;/a&gt;.

AJ state gets civil room via the standard waiver of civil right agreed to, and signed. There is always the choice on any given criminal indictment for every citizen every time.. The 9-0 ruling in Connecticut DPS was had on that factual waiver basis ALONE! A review reveals the Rehnquist court&#039;s use of the phrase &quot;...similarly situated individuals... &quot;.
Having stated that, human upkeep of property is not without history.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.narsol.org/2022/08/in-wisconsin-important-seventh-circuit-decision-on-the-ex-post-facto-clause/#comment-24988">AJ</a>.</p>
<p>AJ state gets civil room via the standard waiver of civil right agreed to, and signed. There is always the choice on any given criminal indictment for every citizen every time.. The 9-0 ruling in Connecticut DPS was had on that factual waiver basis ALONE! A review reveals the Rehnquist court&#8217;s use of the phrase &#8220;&#8230;similarly situated individuals&#8230; &#8220;.<br />
Having stated that, human upkeep of property is not without history.</p>
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